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CyberCrime
Snail writes "
A while back I posted a warning here on the piracy involving J.H. Soft's theft of money.
JHSoft.com known for its SimpleDNS software.

Back in June of 2004 I personally placed an order for their software for a company that contracted me to set them up a website that once completed they would be able to control.

DNS not being an easy server to manage placed the SimpleDNS package as the best solution.
The order was process online using a credit card.
Confirmation was received.
A copy of the transaction was saved.
The software itself is freely downloadable but must be registered.
Registration is supposedly done after payment is made and a password/code is sent via e-mail.

I waited several days and received no response.
I attempted to call the company (intentionally logged on a cell phone) and got no response.
After several days of calls, message/automated responders not working, and e-mail not responded, I contacted the Better Business Bureau.

I learned that the BBB had in fact several such similar complaints recently filed.
I contacted the online processing service and requested a stop of payment.
I then made the post here.

While disgruntled, I thought the matter was over... and set up BIND9... ewe.

Then in February of 2005 my client contacted me to review a billing statement.
This statement included a charge of $89 from JH Soft!

I instructed the client to contact their credit card company and see what could be done at that time.

Do to the immense efficiency of the credit bureau, the client received a reply today... more then a month later.

The short of a lengthy letter is that JH Soft processed the order and did not deliver on services paid.
They then held the account in holding and did not submit it to their bank, thus making appear the transaction was not completed.
Since their was no transaction, the processing company had nothing to do... which apparently also included not telling the client.
JH Soft held the order for a length of time that exceeds the credit bureaus allowed intervention period and then finished the transaction.

This represents a new form of credit card theft that does not have present laws.

As such, nothing can be done at this time, but the case will be sent to a collections agency and when the law goes into effect, this will become one of the first cases processed.

Because of this, I am personally warning everyone about JH Soft, and this sort of theft as well as the current lack of action involved.


The Snail of SnailSoft
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Posted on Saturday, 16 April 2005 @ 14:52:59 UTC by Paul (1695 reads)
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Re: A new form of Credit Theft (Score: 1)
by seafsee  on Saturday, 16 April 2005 @ 16:09:50 UTC
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Can a company possibly stoop any lower ?
Snail wrote: JH Soft held the order for a length of time that exceeds the credit bureaus allowed intervention period and then finished the transaction.
The credit bureau has a rule, but there is no law ?



A rapid follow up... (Score: 1)
by Snail  on Saturday, 16 April 2005 @ 23:05:29 UTC
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It comes as no suprise that soon after this news went public, JH Soft contacted SnailSoft.

In their letter they state:



I am sorry, but we have not received any communication from you or any of
the people you mention before this.
Therefore I am very surprised to receive your e-mail in such regrettable
tone of voice.

Please find attached a copy of the e-mail that we sent to you at
XXXXX immediately following your order on
10/3/2004.
This e-mail contains a license key for the software and constitutes delivery
in full on this order.

If for any reason you did not receive this e-mail, our online support page
has clear instructions on how to obtain lost license keys.
Also, if you had contacted us using the online support form or sent us an
e-mail, we would certainly have supplied this information right away.

As per our records this credit card authorization was made on 10/3/2004, and
was completed (charged) on 10/4/2004.
The WorldPay system shows the same dates.
We did not delay this in any way.

On 3/2/2005 we received a notice from WorldPay that this credit card
transaction was being disputed.
This was the first that we heard about any problems with this order.

I am not sure if this transaction has already been charged back or if the
chargeback is still pending.
We will check this with WorldPay if you wish.

If only you had contacted us prior to initiating the chargeback, we would
easily have sorted this out or made a simple refund, saving everybody a lot
of time, money, and aggravation.

Please let us know if this does not fully answer your questions, or if we
can assist you with anything else.

Sincerely,
Jesper G. Hoy
JH Software
http://www.SimpleDNS.com




I responded to them as such:

Hello.

I am informing you that your letter and attached letter with serial code was received.

I too regret this ever got to this point but please understand that until now,
not only I, but many others have attempted to reach JH Soft on this matter, including a PI, the credit bureau, and VISA.

SMTP transactions logs, as well as documented e-mail and phone calls were submitted as evidence as well.

As I am only the contracted person that performs all of the computer technical support, I will forward this information.
Most persons directly involved were listed in the response header of the e-mail.

As the matter was disputed and logged it is no longer within our control.
Since VISA already reimbursed my client and filed the theft case to a collections agency, it will be up to them to determine further actions.

While its appreciated that JH Soft finally contacted us,
its clear that its a bit late as alternatives where used
(although since the software is now available, will be put to use as BIND is a nightmare even for the best of us),
and that more then adequate actions were taken prior to this being considered an issue of illegality.

Just on a personal note, you should consider the fact that this is not an isolated incident and that its odd to say the least the credit bureau would have conflicting processing dates (although given the corruption of the credit bureau data systems its of little surprise).





Re: A new form of Credit Theft (Score: 1)
by Snail  on Sunday, 17 April 2005 @ 12:57:58 UTC
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Another side note I am adding to this situation for those following, is that JH Soft I have learned has several offices.

To my knowledge, as the matter took place in the US, all contacts and issues have been handled from a US perspective.

The recent and first contact from JH Soft did not originate from within the US and was in fact made from Denmark.

The office in New Jersey, US, was again called this morning, and as before, did not respond.

Since JH Soft is using a local service to them, and my client a local server as well, this could represent a breakdown in the international scheme of things.

However, this is no longer a matter for me, and that now of the legal parties involved... I simply don't like loose ends.


 
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