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sparge
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: Graphics sometimes revert to 640x480x16 when switching user |
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Seems no-one so far has any idea about intermittent and annoying little problem #1 (the case of the occasional missing logon cursor), so let's see if we can do any better with #2.
Sometimes, when more than one person is logged on to the PC (i.e. we have been switching user rather than logging off), someone logs on and finds that the graphics display has reverted from 1280x960 high colour to 640x480 16 colour. Sometimes the person affected can close apps and log off and on again, and normality is restored at the logon screen; sometimes the logon screen remains at low res, and more logging off or a reboot is required.
On the face of it, it seems like a simple memory issue, but for two things:
- the machine has 1 GB of RAM
- we never had the problem before the mobo transplant
OK, three things:
- occurrence of problem does not seem to be obviously proportional to memory demand. Sometimes all four of us can be logged on with a couple of applications each open, with no problem. Before I posted this, there were three of us logged on, and when I logged back on, the problem occurred. I had two apps open, someone else had one, someone else had none. I logged out the no-apps-open person, and graphics normality was restored.
It never happens when just one person is logged on (or at least it never has yet, and I regularly have several large apps open at the same time, a far more demanding portfolio than regularly causes the problem when it is spread over two, three or four users).
Graphics card is NVIDIA GeForce 6200 A-LE, so not smoking, but a good card. I just updated to the latest graphics card driver and that hasn't solved the problem.
Anyone ever come across a problem like this?
Andy[/i]
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sparge
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Hi k027,
Thank you for this suggestion and the other one about the missing keyboard cursor. I have downloaded desktopsave and will see how we get on. Thanks again.
Andy
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Two other common things that can cause intermittent random weirdness are dust accumulation and a dying CMOS battery. _________________ "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." -- Thomas Jefferson
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sparge
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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In case it helps anyone else, an update on this issue. It turns out this is a known problem with Windows XP:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/832295/en-us
Only thing is, it is supposed to have been fixed in SP2. The PC with the problem came with SP2, about 3 years ago, and only started to show the problem about a year ago. So it looks rather like a regression. I just installed SP3 tonight, hoping it might fix the problem, but it hasn't.
I have reported the problem to Microsoft. They don't exactly make it easy. To get official help, I need to pay £46 because the software is OEM and preinstalled. Stuff that. Eventually, by browsing a MS technical forum, I came across a thread including this link (which I have broken up with five carriage returns to avoid my post being the same width as the full link):
https://support.microsoft.com/contactus/
emailcontact.aspx?scid=sw;en;
1214&WS=search&url=http%3a%2f
%2fsearch.microsoft.com%2fresults.aspx
%3fmkt%3den-US%26setlang%3den-US
%26q%3dreporting%2ba%2bproblem
Well done, whoever found that. I have no idea how he managed it. I have bookmarked it and suggest others do so too. I also suggest others make liberal use of it (as did he). There's certainly no route to it that I can see by going to:
https://support.microsoft.com/contactus
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Mister2
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| That link wrote: | | If your issue is technical in nature, we may request additional information from you to determine the support options available for your software. |
Not sure how useful that link is - as soon as it becomes clear you run an OEM OS the support options will be zero until the money is handed over.  _________________ Never stop learning
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sparge
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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So it seems - the emails I sent were answered with stock replies referring me to Microsoft UK, and when I go down that route I come back to "speak to the manufacturer or hand over the money". I don't get it. The OEM version of the OS is exactly the same as the one you buy in the shops, isn't it? So if there's a known problem with the OS, what difference does it make whether it came preinstalled or not?
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Mister2
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 4:54 am Post subject: |
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The retail version is a lot dearer than the OEM version. When you buy a Retail version you become eligible for support fom MS. The license agreement also allows the operating system to be removed from one computer and installed on another.
The OEM version is intended to be exactly that - an operating system installed on a machine by an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer). It is intended to be used essentially only on the computer it was originally installed on, and the OEM is responsible for support.
The price difference reflects these differences, for example I see here in the UK one retailer sells XP Home (Full) for £180.00 while the OEM version is £52.77. Support and portability is what you are paying for (in effect, it's the license that costs the money). _________________ Never stop learning
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sparge
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: |
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OK, that makes some kind of sense. But even if I could remember which online outlet I bought this PC from (and I can't), and even if it hadn't had a mobo transplant since (which it has), the manufacturer has no ability to upgrade or patch the OS - so what can they actually do to resolve any problems with the OS?
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| sparge wrote: | | ... so what can they actually do to resolve any problems with the OS? | Good point. Most likely they would tell you to use the recovery disk (if one was supplied) or else go through the basics and then recommend a reformat & reinstall if that failed. Either way they fulfill their obligation - to restore the system to a usable state, though there is the small matter of the user's data and personal settings disappearing.
Windows updates are available to anyone running a legitimate OS, whether that be OEM, Retail or any of the other license types. Very few downloads (if any) require payment. It's getting the knowledge to know what you need that costs money. _________________ Never stop learning
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sparge
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| Mister2 wrote: | ... though there is the small matter of the user's data and personal settings disappearing.
Windows updates are available to anyone running a legitimate OS, |
Indeed. So let's also not mention the other small matter of the dozens (hundreds?) of hotfixes that have been issued in the meantime, without which you have an OS that is holier than the Pope. Nor to mention the irony that it is the installation of those hotfixes that has precipitated the new problem (or in the case of the graphics display issue, re-precipitated an old and previously fixed problem).
I suppose on the whole it's better not to revert. In which case, as I said before, there's nothing the vendor can do to help. Ho hum.
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| sparge wrote: | | Nor to mention the irony that it is the installation of those hotfixes that has precipitated the new problem ... | True - the user is caught between a rock and a hard place.
In theory an OEM could provide support to equal that of MS. Better, perhaps, given their in-depth knowledge of the systems they build. Sadly it seldom seems that way.
I must admit I often use OEM versions of Windows.
And make regular disk images and backups.  _________________ Never stop learning
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sparge
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| Mister2 wrote: | | In theory an OEM could provide support to equal that of MS. Better, perhaps, given their in-depth knowledge of the systems they build |
I confess I don't see how. A bug in Windows can only be fixed in source code, and OEMs don't have access to it.
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Not sure if MS tech support would go that far as rewriting the source code based on a support call.
Remember the WMF exploit that relied on a third party fix for some weeks before MS finally addressed the problem? _________________ Never stop learning
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