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Atheists most hated minority in U.S.
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Should atheist views be censored?
Yes. Atheism is a view that should not be tolerated in any form.
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No. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion also includes the freedom to be an atheist.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Atheists most hated minority in U.S.
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http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistbigotryprejudice/a/AtheitsHated.htm

When it comes to bigotry and prejudice, atheists are the top target. A new study conducted by the University of Minnesota finds that atheists are the most distrusted and hated minority in the U.S.. I am an atheist and I think people should have the right to believe in any religion they choose, or not believe in one at all.

What do you think?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:43 pm    Post subject:
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Interesting. Like a lot of the world US local issues are a bit of a mystery around here. Atheists don't get any more schtick around here than anyone else. Who cares! If there is a god they are responsible for their own fate when the time comes to answer him. If they are right and there is no god nobody will notice. Life is tough enough without adding to our woes by interfering in peoples decision to believe in nothing.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject:
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sundog wrote:
Interesting. Like a lot of the world US local issues are a bit of a mystery around here. Atheists don't get any more schtick around here than anyone else. Who cares! If there is a god they are responsible for their own fate when the time comes to answer him. If they are right and there is no god nobody will notice. Life is tough enough without adding to our woes by interfering in peoples decision to believe in nothing.


Contrary to popular belief, atheism is not necessarily believing in "nothing". It is simply the lack of belief in a "God".

Atheist "beliefs" could be defined as follows:
(from http://www.atheists.org/)

An Atheists loves himself and his fellow man instead of a god. An Atheist believes that heaven is something for which we should work for now - here on earth- for all men together to enjoy. An Atheist believes that he can get no help through prayer but that he must find in himself the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, subdue and enjoy it. An Atheist believes that only in knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfillment.

"Therefore, he seeks to know himself and his fellow man rather than to 'know' a god. An Atheist believes that a deed must be done instead of a prayer said. An Atheist strives for involvement in life and not escape into death.

He wants disease conquered, poverty vanquished, war eliminated. He wants man to understand and love man. He wants an ethical way of life. He believes that we cannot rely on a god nor channel action into prayer nor hope for an end of troubles in a hereafter. He believes that we are our brothers' keepers in that we are, first, keepers of our lives; that we are responsible persons, that the job is here and the time is now."

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:14 pm    Post subject:
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I like the Atheist you define there. I may or may not agree with his understanding of the supernatural presence in the world but I think he has a good basis for living in the world.

Some of the Atheists I have met seem to be more concerned with Mammon . They don't like spiritual possibilities getting the way of their next real estate deal. Like everything else some are also of the type you define here. Must be careful of generalizations in these matters (note to self)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:39 pm    Post subject:
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When it comes to God's existence, I'm not an atheist & I'm not an agnostic. I'm an acrostic. The whole thing puzzles me. - George Carlin


I always thought of myself as an acrostic. Y'mean I can be an atheist 2? Kewl!

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Looks at Jo, You think you are a poem?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject:
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gnosis wrote:
Contrary to popular belief, atheism is not necessarily believing in "nothing".
Atheist here too. Thought I had to second this.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject:
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Holy Hysteria!!!!

Welcome gentlemen.

I am aware of the thread that brought this site to your attention. I believe if you look around you'll see the baseless accusations of one Mark Dern over there.

Contrary to what Mark posted about never posting at this site, he shows a remarkable "knowledge" of the goings on here for a "casual observer". He also claims to have special knowledge of the reasons behind some posters being banned. What it appears he is not saying is that these banned posters are him in disguise or a "sock-puppet" if you will.

Here he makes claims of being stalked, yet keeps coming back for more after he has clearly been shown the door at least a minium of five seperate times. I believe if you re-read the thread over there, this person's desperation is clearly evident. How many times have the readers there said to give it up, go somewhere else?

I could be wrong, but the similarities between Mark and certain posters here is just to uncanny to remain a coincidence.

First and foremost, CastleCops is a security related site and highly recommended at that. Some of the premier helpers on the internet are affiliated with CastleCops.

So, please do look around and when you post over there again, you should be able to present a more realistic and balanced view of the site in general.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:29 pm    Post subject:
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Posted ElseWhere on this site - btw - You won't believe what goes on here!

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Hi Wog,

Count me in.
(speaking about "converting" to atheism, agnosticism.)
Along with the direction USA seems to be taking towards theocracy (ok ok overstated maybe but check it out since the 1950's 60's - when "under God" was added partly because of the "Red Scare" to the fact that there are still laws on the books (from that time) in six or seven States which prevent a person from holding public office who does not declare allegiance to a particular religion.)

Love,
JoAnn

CFC provided this information about a book I referred to:
The Washington Post's Book World/washingtonpost.com wrote:
In lucid and witty prose, Jacoby has uncovered the hidden history of secular America, and awarded it a large share of credit in every movement for social and political reform. It's nice to read again of the friendship between Walt Whitman and Robert Ingersoll, the greatest anti-religious lecturer of his day. It's sobering to be reminded of how many states practiced overt sectarian discrimination, against Jews, Catholics and Quakers, even after the Founding Fathers had made plain their abhorrence of all such practices. And, of course, it is salutary to be reminded of how much plain villainy and stupidity has been promulgated from the platforms of the godly, many of whom would still like to retard the elementary teaching of science.


I am very concerned about the discriminatory practices condoned by a government slowly (or not so slowly) slipping toward theocracy.

Woof!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject:
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chasfc11 wrote:
Holy Hysteria!!!!

Welcome gentlemen.

I am aware of the thread that brought this site to your attention. I believe if you look around you'll see the baseless accusations of one Mark Dern over there.

Contrary to what Mark posted about never posting at this site, he shows a remarkable "knowledge" of the goings on here for a "casual observer". He also claims to have special knowledge of the reasons behind some posters being banned. What it appears he is not saying is that these banned posters are him in disguise or a "sock-puppet" if you will.

Here he makes claims of being stalked, yet keeps coming back for more after he has clearly been shown the door at least a minium of five seperate times. I believe if you re-read the thread over there, this person's desperation is clearly evident. How many times have the readers there said to give it up, go somewhere else?

I could be wrong, but the similarities between Mark and certain posters here is just to uncanny to remain a coincidence.

First and foremost, CastleCops is a security related site and highly recommended at that. Some of the premier helpers on the internet are affiliated with CastleCops.

So, please do look around and when you post over there again, you should be able to present a more realistic and balanced view of the site in general.

Namaste
CFC


My apologies if I have fallen into some sort of April-fool's sock-puppetry joke here. So far I have seen no evidence of said poster's claims of "persecution" on this site. Nonetheless, I thought it would be an interesting poll to post, and see what the other forum goers on castlecops thought. Also, I have visited this site for security related reasons before, and greatly appreciate the input of the posters here. Internet security knowledge is a great gift to give others, my thanks!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject:
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Welcome to CastleCops, gnosis. I am aware of how and why you found us and let me assure you that whether atheists are the most hated and distrusted minority in the U.S. or not, here at CastleCops, we do not allow attacks on any group or individual.

CastleCops is first and foremost a computer security site. Members and staff are devoted to making computing a safer and more enjoyable experience for everyone. The staff, all volunteers, devotes more hours that can be counted to combating the evils of cyberspace by working against malware, phishing, spam, and other nasties. Look around at the other forums on the site and you will see how busy we keep ourselves.

Forums like the Religion forum and others are provided to give members the opportunity to “meet” and to exchange and discuss ideas. Sometimes, people do not agree. Discussion is arguably boring otherwise. Admins and moderators here encourage and permit respectful disagreements. What we do not tolerate is personal attacks, name calling, and other conduct that disrespects individual members or the staff. We expect everyone to abide by the AUP whether in the Religion forum or any of the other dozens of forums on the site.

The staff here are domiciled around the world and run the gamut of every category you can think of: believers of many faiths and non-believers, racial and ethnic groups, citizens of dozens of countries, and (as important as the others) male and female. Despite the ranting and outright lies of anyone, we do not discriminate against atheists, Jews or anyone else. We administer the rules of the Forum evenly and without regard to a person’s heritage or beliefs. We will continue to do so regardless of the number of reincarnations of individuals who have been banned because they cannot and will not abide by our simple rules.

CastleCops has been the target of vicious DDoS attacks and withstood them. In the same way that we will stand against those attacks and not be deterred, we will not be deterred by the repeated attacks of an individual who is not really doing anything that much different than the DDoS’er.

So, welcome to CastleCops and enjoy the site. I think you will find it energetic, challenging, and inclusive of all.


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Thanks for the welcome! So far, I have seen all that you say to be true grsamf.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject:
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I am glad you are finding that.

Just two other points: (1) What is going on is unfortunately not an April Fool's joke but has been happening with an individual for years.

And (2) as a lawyer, I might take issue with a claim that atheists are the most hated and distrusted group in the U.S. Laughing


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And (2) as a lawyer, I might take issue with a claim that atheists are the most hated and distrusted group in the U.S. Laughing


By all means, please elaborate. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:06 am    Post subject:
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grsamf wrote:
we will not be deterred by the repeated attacks of an individual who is not really doing anything that much different than the DDoS’er


I am only an observer, but it seems to be that as a lawyer, you should know that with the above statement you are opening yourself up to liability. What does the perpetrator of a DDoS have to do with people wanting to post in a forum and exercising their right to free speech? Your so-called rules and AUP and all that have no value in the eyes of the law. They mean nothing. No one is obligated to give a dime about your silly AUP. Personally, I find your comment way out of line and a liability for libel and defamation. If you said that to me, over posts in a forum, and issues of free speech, trying to infringe on my rights, I would take you and this site and the owners to the cleaners in court. You can't accuse your innocent members going about posting their views on religion and exercising their free speech of being "the same as a DDoS'er, who is a criminal under the law. It seems to me all issues and back and forth problems have been elicited by your behavior also. And I have seen plenty of this having gone on in this forum. You are clearly going way to far into inappropriate territory. I think this is indicative of what really goes on in this forum. I, for one disagree with gnostic and am convinced the allegations are true. It seems to me you people are trying to cover something up and you are bullies. You seem to have no respect for free speech or the rights of those who disagree with you. I have checked out this site and there are countless incidents when you do nothing to stop personal attacks against innocent posters, and even encourage them. You claim to care for all those things you recited in your litany, but this site is full of sections where you are shown as the abusers. Many of your longtime posters seem to have complained of deleted posts, harrassment and abuse. There are many instances where the members you protect bother and troll entire topics, only to have your moderators punish the wrong party, which is never the fundamentalist poster. gnostic did not go in depth into this site, and his remarks are obviously based on just some surface examination. There are also instances where your moderators engage in the same kind of behavior. The closings of topics and the disappearence of posts seem highly suspect and many of the members that I asked also communicated that in private. I have spent several hours on this site, and based on what I saw, I have no doubt that the allegations are true.
We do not even know who the mysterious poster is. Some people said it's about that trademark stuff about Castle. You are clearly not telling the truth because I have seen posts of even the most active members here you claim were "against you", and they have actually complimented your site numerous times. So it is clear to me you are only giving us the cleaned up story, and your best party line. But anyone willing to really dig into this forum will see that you are not telling the whole truth. I warn you people though, anyone curious will have to dig for several hours on end. Not for the squimish.

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